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David C 20-11-21 08:48 PM

With twin carbs it shouldn't take too much work to fit and wouldn't have silly power.

Raymond 20-11-21 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by David C (Post 11598)
That's exactly why I thought it would be a good choice. In basic form it should be very dependable with plenty of torque. Pretty much the performance Bristol were chasing with the 160 engine intended for the 220 chassis. What a shame that never saw the light of day

Yes, I watched the video recording of an interview with Syd Lovesy in which he talks about the 160 project. The intended engine for the 220 prototype being designed by Denis Sevier apparently came to nothing and as they say... the rest is history.

hesketh786 20-11-21 09:55 PM

Raymond,

Are you referring to the actual ally panels micro blistering or the paint work in this humidity ?

DavidC,

If it fits i would really be very interested in dropping one into the 405 !


I love power haha ! I wouldn't mind a Bristol Sleeper !

Indeed setup with Zenith or Weber Carbs it should be just right !

David C 20-11-21 10:06 PM

It's an itch I really wanted to scratch. I had the offer of the engine and 4 speed 'box from a friend who updated to 3.3 litres and 5 speed. I was offered my late father's 405 minus drivetrain for small change but the frame was shot when he sold it in the early '70s and it had been left outside after that.

I don't know what the insurance situation would be but I think it would be possible to argue it was a direct development of the original engine.
Anyone with any experience please pitch in and tell us why not.

Raymond 20-11-21 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by hesketh786 (Post 11601)
Raymond,

Are you referring to the actual ally panels micro blistering or the paint work in this humidity ?

DavidC,

If it fits i would really be very interested in dropping one into the 405 !


I love power haha ! I wouldn't mind a Bristol Sleeper !

Indeed setup with Zenith or Weber Carbs it should be just right !

I am talking about the paint. Right now I am in the process of sanding down the steel bonnet of my TC project car and treating any rust (that had been painted over by the p/o) with phosphoric acid. Although not too cold, I am getting @70% humidity. The only answer I have come up with is to heat the panel and surrounding area with a hair dryer and then paint with epoxy primer.

This may all sound a bit desperate but I have done it before with good results. If I may say so myself, my GT6 was a better paint job than from new.

(Having said that, British Leyland cars were never that well finished!)

hesketh786 21-11-21 09:37 PM

Raymond,

I thought so yes, i think i will be keeping this bare ally for now as i quite like the look of it ! May paint at a later date. Thanks for the tips ill keep that in mind for any other project cars i buy !

I completed the bonnet today on the 405 !

best
h

hesketh786 21-11-21 09:41 PM

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bonnet is now rubbed down !

Raymond 21-11-21 10:11 PM

That should keep you busy for a while!!

Incidentally, should you need to weld any splits I recently discovered 'Lumiweld' a low temperature welding process.

There are also aluminium body fillers which also have their place.

At least you don't have rust to deal with. This is what I have been up to this week end, (sorry, no Bristol yet.)

https://i.postimg.cc/BQCGD0Mq/IMG-0934.jpg

hesketh786 22-11-21 09:30 PM

Raymond,

Just been reading up on the cold weld process very interesting and thank you for letting me know about it - no doubt i will need to use it on one of the cars !

That looks fantastic ! how long did it take you and how did you do it ?
with a da sander ?

best
h

hesketh786 22-11-21 09:31 PM

for sale tomorrow

https://auctions.hampsonauctions.com...pp=96&pn=1&g=1

powered by an Opel Manta GTE engine rather than its original Bristol unit

1956 Bristol 405

Registration - TOF 117

Chassis No. - 40514170

Maybe ill take a look at this engine swap too ?

h

Raymond 22-11-21 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by hesketh786 (Post 11620)
Raymond,

Just been reading up on the cold weld process very interesting and thank you for letting me know about it - no doubt i will need to use it on one of the cars !

That looks fantastic ! how long did it take you and how did you do it ?
with a da sander ?

best
h

Good evening Hesketh. I am using a combination of a random orbital sander and hand rubbing down with 120 grit. I have treated any rusty areas with phosphoric acid and rubbed them down again.

I am not counting the hours but it would be more sensible to have the panels dipped. My biggest problem is that just when I need it the most, my painting shed heater has packed up! It is a race against time in getting the heater working again before the panels go rusty!

This scuttle top was the worst.

( Again, apologies for non Bristol content.)

https://i.postimg.cc/FHNSyRBC/IMG-0603.jpg

AndrewA 23-11-21 07:19 AM

Saw this and thought of you....https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324884430...YAAOSw3WNhllca

hesketh786 25-11-21 07:53 PM

Raymond,

Very nice job you've done there ! You working on it over the weekend ?
Oh yes I can imagine the scuttle must have taken quite some time !

Ive been reading about soda-blasting and i think i may buy a small set up to do the cars of mine - much faster !

Andrew,

Thanks for the link buddy ! My uncle offered me his already with trans but i don't think it will fit in the. engine bay as it looks to big, he's measuring it up this weekend !

Got a message from R Hackket @ SLJ Hackett telling me he may have found me an original Bristol engine to. drop in !

thanks
h

Raymond 25-11-21 08:17 PM

The weather is not looking good for the weekend but I expect I will do some more. I managed to fix the heater and with the help of a hair dryer created a suitable environment for epoxy primer...

Some time ago I bought a sand blaster but I have been unable to stop it from clogging up, due I presume to dampness from the compressor. I have bought a new air filter so hopefully that will solve the problem. It should also help prevent micro blisters. One thing; it makes an awful mess. Filthy business. I always wear protective clothing with a mask and goggles; I also have a 5' square blasting booth... but after a while you can't see what you are doing!

This is an example of what I have been dealing with:

https://i.postimg.cc/Yq0zSdmd/IMG-0158.jpg

As I might have said; for what this lemon has cost I could have bought a decent Bristol. DOHH!

AndrewA 25-11-21 08:53 PM

Good luck with the Bristol engine - sounds like a great solution

AndrewA 28-11-21 01:04 PM

Here's a couple!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/b/Bristol-Car.../bn_7025556366

Raymond 28-11-21 01:55 PM

At those prices ?

Geoff Kingston 28-11-21 10:49 PM

They might make those prices if someone has an engineless AC Ace, Cooper or Frazer Nash but recently I was approached by a Frazer Nash owner who specifically wanted an 85c engine a few minor parts and a diff. He suggested a price I could work with for the engine at £10K but at the last moment claimed to have been offered a 100D engine at £12.5k with issues, someone I mentioned it to described it as scrap at that price for a 100D, so the best option lies with the 85C series engines and the 100A series engines both of which can be modified for more power.
My time wasting buyer did himself no favours as the engine he wanted to build should have been based on an 85C unit, horse water drink!

Raymond 28-11-21 11:05 PM

Funny you should mention Frazer Nash. I was looking at one only the other day.

Longstone Tyres at Bawtry own one and I was thinking how scary it must be doing over 100 mph with chain drive!

Geoff Kingston 28-11-21 11:31 PM

It probably was but driving then was about car control, before covid restrictions put us into lockdown I took my 401 LRU on its three brief road test runs, the first one or two I thought it was awful, fighting the remote change gear lever, missing gears because I could not remember where they where I was beginning to question what the hell I ever saw in them then on trip number three I took it a bit further and on the way back decided to drive it a bit hard, fast into corners change down keep the power on, pure bloody fun the magic was back.
More recently I have done a few runs with MXF which has a few teething problems as well but did a few hard charges up a local hill to try and provoke the problem, failed, but what fun.
As a VSCC friend said 60MPH flat out in an Austin 7 special is more fun than 120 mph + in a Ferrari and he should know he owns both.
Another great car to drive fast is an R Type or Mk Vi Bentley, heavy powerful and can be balanced on the steering through the bends and an awful lot of fun when you get it right, S2 Bentley even better performance up there with the V8 Bristols.
Total fun, Bristol 603 mine was set up by the previous owners and is a wonderful car to drive.

Raymond 28-11-21 11:50 PM

Sounds like fun, Geoff. I hope my MG TC will be like that. I have uprated everything including fitting a supercharger. I just hope the darn thing can stop!

(I have a totally new braking system with Alfin drums and a servo but proof of the pudding is in the eating as they say.)
https://i.postimg.cc/7YJKh95M/IMG-0168.jpg

hesketh786 16-01-22 11:18 PM

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evening all !

hope you all had a great xmas & new years !

some pics showing the 405 progress,

best

HM

AndrewA 17-01-22 08:53 AM

Crikey - good for you.
I'd sort of presumed you might have tucked it away until springtime!

hesketh786 18-01-22 08:15 PM

Thanks Andrew ! I thought i might as well get as much done !

Nick Challacombe 19-01-22 04:01 PM

Stoic work on New Car again
 
You have indeed had a busy time but must feel good to see the progress.
Carry on young man, you are doing brilliantly.

hesketh786 27-01-22 12:12 AM

Dear Nick !

Hope you are well.

Thank you so much !

Yes, absolutely I cannot wait too see it all stripped down !

Going to be well worth it,

Thanks again
HM

hesketh786 29-01-22 09:27 PM

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evening all,

Hope you are all well.

Anyone working on their motors this weekend ?


A quick update from today, more sanding as always !
And even more tomorrow !
Some updated pics,

Best

H

AndrewA 29-01-22 10:38 PM

Looking good - don't get that Bentley covered in too much muck!
Me still fettling Model A Special/Hot Rod and waiting for return of 410 from axle people - you seem to be making good progress - am presuming you've decided to go the Triumph route on engine front - it seems to be a relatively well worn path.....
Trust all well with you
Andrew

hesketh786 29-01-22 11:07 PM

Hiya Andrew !

You are very right ! I have ordered a car cover for it so will get it covered asap !

Hows the hot-rod build coming along ? Ahh thats nice any delivery date re 410?

Thank you, every spare moment sand ! Yes either triumph or i was thinking Ford Pinto engine as they can be tuned easily to gain high HP ( relatively )

Yes all well here thank you - except for frozen fingers from sanding for hours !

Hope you a keeping well sir

best
H

AndrewA 30-01-22 12:36 AM

Hello!
On the Model A the hard works done - it's MOT'd and I'm really now just fettling for fettlings sake and tackling a few "easy wins"/minor improvements.
Bristol I'm not really chasing either the car or the inevitable bill! They've asked if they can hang on to it to put a few miles on the car and there are a few minor issues on the gearbox front I'd like them to resolve so I'm just sitting quietly.
On the engine front of yours while I completely understand the pinto choice a six has to be the way to go IMHO - but it's your car!
Cheers
Andrew

hesketh786 01-03-22 07:56 PM

sorry for the late reply Andrew, my father was quite unwell but now is on the mend.

Amazing news Congratulations ! What are the minor improvements ?
Oh yes I can imagine it'll hurt when you see the bill but i'm sure it'll put more than a smile on your face when you are behind the wheel !

With regards to the engine i'm now thinking of the Jaguar/Daimler v8 as i think that will give me the power i'm after.

Hope you are keeping well

Best
HM

AndrewA 02-03-22 01:47 PM

Hope father continues to improve (insert thumbs up emoji).
Model A fettling was starter motor and alternator in the end.
Bristol latest was curing a few drafts & slightly erratic idle. I had some credit left with a parts supplier so replaced aging Edelbrock with a new one and all is much better.
It's off to rolling road next week to optimise it and then plan (barring disasters) is just to drive it for the rest of the year and save up anything else until the Winter.
We shall see.....
Admire your engine choices - but as Captain Kirk says it sounds like you may be boldly going where no man has gone before - which can be an expensive and frustrating business! The straight six is a slightly more well trodden path but no doubt not without its challenges as well.
If the Bentley is anything to go by though, whatever you decide to do I'm sure the end result will be stunning.
Best
Andrew

hesketh786 03-03-22 09:27 PM

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yes thank you he is much better now Andy !

did you manage to sort out the issue now on the A ?

Oh yes thats a great shout - whats the sort of price for a new Carb ?
Amazing i bet you cannot wait to get behind the wheel !
Indeed just enjoy any sun we get hold of !

Hahah oh yes he did absolutely - i've seen a few Bristols fitted with the v8 on my searches so will have to start drawing up some plans soon as the body is 50% sanded now !

Thank you so much - that means alot to me !

In the absence i have purchased a RR Silver Shadow - 1st owner Sir F Laker !
I have never seen a car been looked after so so well !
It has 3 fully stamped out RR Service books and 100's of receipts and photos !


Hopefully the weather be nicer than the last few days so can crack on with the Bentley !

Are you up too much this weekend ?

All the best,

HM

AndrewA 04-03-22 09:43 AM

Morning
Model A all done for now. New Edelbrock for Bristol was £400 and came from John Woolfe Racing in Bedford.
Can't quite believe the latest purchase - it appears you're trying to corner the market in '50's/'60's/'70's luxury restoration projects.
In an effort to get this thread back on track (!), what's the plan with the 405 post sanding - does it need a lot of structural work underneath or is reasonably sound?
Best
Andrew

hesketh786 04-03-22 07:31 PM

Evening and finally the weekend !
Ahh amazing congratulations - will you be using the A regularly ?
That sounds rather reasonable at £400 right ? Thanks for the shop name also i np doubt will have to buy parts from them for the other 3 v8's.

Hehehe thank you Andy ! Just want to try and keep these beautiful machines on the road and used - the kids now a days hardly see cars like these anymore.

Post sanding and polish - i will be fitting the new floor pan as parts are missing on it as of now.
Then will get then engine in (hopefully v8 250) and restore all mechanics.
Once it starts drives and brakes ; full interior restoration - head lining, door cards, seats, dashboard
new tyres all round and then get behind the wheel of it !

I cannot wait for the next few months to come !

Are you up to much this weekend ?
Best
HM

hesketh786 06-03-22 07:02 PM

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A nice day weekend only means more sanding !

A few more pics

best,

H

Raymond 06-03-22 07:20 PM

Fitting the rear window seal doesn't look like an easy job?

AndrewA 06-03-22 09:24 PM

I'm getting towards the age where I'm like the Dowager Countess in Downton Abbey "What is a weekend?" the days all roll into each other!
405 look like it's coming along nicely - I'm sure the neighbours will be delighted when the sanding's finished as well!
Keep up the excellent work - it looks good in the bare ali doesn't it?

hesketh786 19-05-22 08:08 PM

good evening all !

Sorry i have not been on the forums !

had a bit of bad luck recently - had a-big accident in the 944 Turbo, and then i've had covid and just finished my isolation yesterday.

so finally got back in the sun and started sanding again !

Hope you are all keeping well !

best,

Hass

AndrewA 20-05-22 02:22 PM

Hope you're alright - even if Porsche isn't.
Look forward to further updates in due course!
All the best
Andrew


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