Brabazon

[Jervaulx]

Don't forget, the BMW 3-series coupe has had electric operation of the
rear windows for over 10 years.

Andrew

[jimfoz]

Originally Posted by Jervaulx

Don't forget, the BMW 3-series coupe has had electric operation of the
rear windows for over 10 years.

Andrew

Actually didn't the Rolls Royce Silver Shadow 2 door coupe and its other variants, such as the James Young 2 door bodywork have elec opening rear quarterlights as opposed to windows that dropped down into the body? This being 1966-67.
I think even Ferraris such as the early 365 coupes had this as well

[mrbennetts]

I remember a tiny Lancia Y10 I had years ago also had electric windows like that. A rather nice "show-off" gadget. This thread is getting rather anorackky, isn't it !

[giaberto]

Dear all,

thank you for the clinic test. At least it seems this is the most animated thread on bristolcars.info so far!

I obvioulsy accept all criticism and can agree with some but please understand that when a new design is proposed styling cues tend to be exaggerated. When cooperating with the manufacturer things usually get toned down, sometimes for good, sometimes for bad. Just think about the difference between the first scale model of the Fighter and the end result.

Brabazon can appear too bulky in places but we have to accept cars are growing bigger, not only because people is getting taller and larger but also because safety elements, ancillaries and crash test requirements require larger bodyworks. Think about pedestrian crash regulations with the minimum distance from engine block to the bonnet, or the mandatory detachable front in impacts.

For the user named Potential, there is a big difference in a rendered 2D sketch as in the reported tutorial and a full 3D virtual model as the Brabazon.

For 406special, I personally do not like some of the Chris Bangle style but he definitely contributed to the big sales success of BMW.

Thanks Kevin Howard for signalling the Firefox3 problem. I completely redesigned the graphics in order for the website to be quicker and clearer to read with all browsers.

Finally, in defence of Mr. Crook I must say I arrived in 2003 well past closing time at the Kensington showroom (not even dressed as an Arab prince), he opened the door for me and my wife and we talked cars for over one hour. He was very enthusiastic about both Fighter and Blenheim, we talked about homologation problems, market for the Fighter, Ferraris, Bentleys and so on. He seemed he did not want to let us go!

So if Mr. Silverton asks for a design give him my telephone number.

Regards

Giacomo Bertolio (aka Big Coolie Motor)

[406Special]

Giacomo, you're a gentleman and a good sport (as we say in Australia).

Even allowing for modern crash worthiness design, it would be wonderful to
see the earlier classic Bristol (405/404/407/411) influences, especially if
you want the Brabazon nose cone effect (see 404-407).

Less is often more and in the rear of your design you have exaggeration and
it lacks elegance (again check out the rear of all earlier Bristols
pre-603).

Clyde

after reading this thread you have all failed to realise that the true bristol has a very curvy body with massive headlights it is very easy to get into and a very pleasurable ride

as we say in yorkshire you are a crank

Goa Tribe Maybe Very Good Indian Car Makers

[californiabristol]

Cadillacs had power vent windows in the 60's

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I remember a tiny Lancia Y10 I had years ago also had electric windows
like that. A rather nice "show-off" gadget. This thread is getting
rather anorackky, isn't it !

[Kevin H]

So what was the usual way to electrically control quarterlight windows?

[californiabristol]

Kevin,

I have tried to get info, and have come across the owners manual. It
doesn't say what the mechanical design is though.

http://fsartori.free.fr/uscars/manuals/manuel_cad66.pdf

Greg
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I remember a tiny Lancia Y10 I had years ago also had electric windows
like that. A rather nice "show-off" gadget. This thread is getting
rather anorackky, isn't it !

[mrbennetts]

Kevin, at the risk of sounding flippant, the "usual way to electrically control the quarterlight windows" on the Lancia was to press the ruddy electric switch ! However, to be a bit more helpful, I remember that there was a very small servo motor on each window, resembling a slightly more bulky set-up than the Leyland Sherpa manual versions found in Bristols. They worked well.

[mrbennetts]

Here's a picture of the Lancia; hinged window at the front, motor halfway up at the rear.

[giaberto]

I took your criticisms to heart and reworked the Brabazon, especially in proportions. I hope you will find it more Bristol than Pixar!

Regards to all

Giacomo
www.bertolio.it

[406Special]

An improvement but I think it needs softening of the exaggeration of
the lines across the tops of the sides of the front and rear wheel
arches (I do not like the height of the curves into and away from the
front and rear pillars. Also I am still unsure of the heavily
scalloped wheel arches. At the rear I would prefer less hunched
curvature across the top of the boot lid. Indeed flatening it out
and sloping it down similar to a 410-411 would be better. You
should remove the rear oval appearance as a result in centre of rear
end. Otherwise the front should be a little more delicate and less
"in yer face".

Clyde
406 Special

[penman]

Hi

also emphasizing side openings for spare wheel and services, a Bristol feature since the Fifties.

Trying to scale the side elevation it looks as if there isn't a wheel diameter plus, behind the front wheels and infront of the door hinge line, but then models don't always display everything.
I quite like the homage to the aero industry roots in the frontal treatment and the elevated wing tops for visual location of the car on the road.
Didn't they do something similar on the Blenheim?
Have you taken into account that the rear of the body is a self supporting structure as the chassis finishes virtually at the rear axle or are you thinking an outrigger structural support for the boot area?
The rear oval appears to be a styling feature (perhaps mirroring the front elevation, rather than having a practical purpose, which isn't normal Bristol fashion

[Rubbond]

Dear Bristol admirers (not sure if I can spell affectionado's).
I'm am really sorry to have to write this. My comments I'm sure won't be
liked.
But with no apologies from my side - whoever is sending in these futuristic
designs must be pulling (y)our pl*nker(s)!
These designs are all absolutely awful! (Can't find the bold/italic button).
My advice in any case to him would be not to give up his daytime job!
I grew up in the UK in the 1960's and as a teenager probably tried to
improve even the lines of the E-type Jaguar or James Dean's Porsche during
latin classes.
We all know that car designs went disasterously wrong after that (again,
can't find the bold/italic button).
Early Bristols were lovely, as were Aston Martins, Jaguars, Masseratis (my
spelling is not good) and Bentley Continentels.
But almost all car manufacturers went completely off the rails in the
1970's, and I'm afraid Bristol did too. Let's be honest, they are really
ugly! (Again, I can't find the bold/italic button). How can anybody defend
the exterior lines (let alone lights!) of any of the later Bristol models?
They all look - lets be honest - like Masserati Bi-Turbos. (Again, sorry for
the spelling!).
Only a few cars - Aston Martin's, Bentley Continental's, and a few others
survived this period relatively unscathed.and are almost back now on track.
I loved Bristols all the way through to the 406 (especially the 404 and 405,
and with special coachwork).
Sorry, I got a bit carried away.
I said my comments wouldn't be liked!
My comments by the way are purely regarding the exterior lines. I know the
interiors are super (with possible exceptions I understand of the
quarterlights, airco etc.).
Please accept my apologies in advance!
I'd still like to own an old Bristol! And I guess Chrysler parts won't be
available soon either.
This is all a bit tounge in cheek. Please don't be offended!
With best regards,
Andrew.
Oh ****! Now I see below someone has beaten me too this!

, you can cars on one hand that got through the 1970's without designing
really ugly rubbish. And most of those went wrong afterwards.

[lansdownplace]

Ok. The Brabazon is really not good. But I can't agree that the 70s
cars were ugly except in the way that mix jagger or julia Roberts
are ugly. From any Bristol made I choose a 412 to have built as new
(with a few refinements).

[Nick Challacombe]

Giacomo,
I am able to see that you have put a great deal of effort into your Ugly
Duckling in you effort
to pen a Princely car. The problem that you have yet to solve is to find a
Princess to kiss
your Frog and turn it into a Prince Brabazon.

Kind regards and I wish you all the best for the Christmas and Pantomime
Season.

Nick.

[UK6]

Dear Bristol Lovers,
Re style of new Bristol model (Brabazon etc), why not
recommission the Bertone styled Arnolt roadster with modern V6 or V8 running
gear. Any takers?

UK 6