1957 Arnolt Bristol in the MM?

[Cargirl]

Can a 1957 Arnolt Bristol Boldie run in the Mille Miglia?

[Bobbyweaf]

The only cars eligible for the MM are models that previously ran in it. Sadly, not even my 401 can but a 400 is eligible.

[Cargirl]

Originally Posted by Bobbyweaf

The only cars eligible for the MM are models that previously ran in it. Sadly, not even my 401 can but a 400 is eligible.

But they did run - at least a Boldie ran in 55 if I am not mistaken.

[briwmw]

When you say 1957, that is probably the year that the car was first registered.
The best I can tell is that all of the cars were built between 1953 and 1955. I always listed my cars (four of them) as 1954. 404X3069 (previously one of mine) has been run in the Mille Miglia. Which car do you have? Bill Watkins

[Cargirl]

Originally Posted by briwmw

When you say 1957, that is probably the year that the car was first registered.
The best I can tell is that all of the cars were built between 1953 and 1955. I always listed my cars (four of them) as 1954. 404X3069 (previously one of mine) has been run in the Mille Miglia. Which car do you have? Bill Watkins

Bill I was just talking about your car with someone... this is car number 3066. A friend sent me a picture of your car with the caption if 3069 can run why can't 3066?

[Geoff Dowdle]

Kelly ,
Various Arnolt's have run in the recent Mille Miglia Rallies .
Look a Google images under
" Arnolt Bristol Mille Miglia" and you will see Chassis 3009 running in 2010 , a grey deluxe in 2011 plus possibly others.

The only way to find if a 1957 Arnolt Bristol is eligible is to make a application . If there a number of other Arnolt's also applying for entry ,you might not get a spot .

Buy a 400 and you will have a better chance !!!!!!!!
In 1949 400 chassis 002 , one of the prototype coupes came 13th overall and 3rd in the Touring class.

Geoff

[Cargirl]

Geoff I heard there were eight AB's that ran over the course of the years.

I guess the question would be whether or not this car would be penalized because it is titled as a 57 when the car(s) that ran in the original MM was a 55. But now I find that they are ALL technically 53 to 55's. Is this taken into account when you submit your AB? It must be as I am quite sure the eight cars that have run are not all titled 53-55.

As for the 400. You know I love those cars but what would it be like driving one for 1,000 miles?

[briwmw]

3069 reached Chicago in September, 1954. Although the cars were not delivered in order, it's a reasonable guess that 3066 arrived sometime in '54.
I'll see if I can get some more information about entry requirements from the former owner of 3069.

[Cargirl]

Maybe this is a whole other thread but I have to ask.. exactly what dictates the year a car is titled? How is it conceivable that 3066 and 3069 supposedly left the factory at almost the same time but one is titled a 54 and the other a 57?

[Cargirl]

Originally Posted by briwmw

3069 reached Chicago in September, 1954. Although the cars were not delivered in order, it's a reasonable guess that 3066 arrived sometime in '54.
I'll see if I can get some more information about entry requirements from the former owner of 3069.

The requirements would be very helpful. Thank you.

[briwmw]

The cars were slow sellers. As you may know 12 of the 142 were destroyed in a warehouse fire in Chicago. Other cars were, no doubt, in the hands of dealers throughout the country. I have one list, of unknown origin, that says that 3066 was built in 1954 along with all the cars from 3002 to 3089. There are others listed as late as 1959, but I doubt it.

[Cargirl]

Very interesting stuff. Peter McGough has promised to help shed some light on this when he gets back into town.

But the question still remains can this AB run in the MM whether it be a 54 or a 57. I am beginning to think it can. But the jury still out.

[Arnolt57]

Various states in the United States had different methods of registering cars. I have owned three Arnolt Bristols. Two were registered by the engine number and one by the chassis number.

I bought 3016 in 1964 and although it was one of the first 16 built, it was first sold and registered in California as a 1956. I owned 3067 or 3087 (I think) and it was registered in Illinois as a 1957. I then bough 3015 which also came out of California but had originally been registered as a 1959 even though it apparently came over on the same boat as my first car. The previous owner was able to trace it's history back to the factory in Chicago and got it correctly registered as a 1954.

As I understand the rules, any make that originally raced in the Mille Miglia that was made between 1927 and 1957, including 1957 are eligible. I was once told that the Deluxe model was not eligible, however, that may not be correct.

[briwmw]

I have written to the guy in Belgium that owned both 3069 and 3009 that ran in the Mille. I think he will post on this forum or answer directly to me. I'm leaving town for a few days and will check up when I get back.

[Cargirl]

Small world department: I have been talking to the grandson of John Panks recently. Panks raced 3009 at Sebring in 55. The grandson sent me a picture of his grandfather by an AB which is most likely 3009. I will try to post the picture.

[Kevin H]

Originally Posted by Cargirl

I will try to post the picture.

If you have any difficulty posting the picture on the forum just email it to me webmaster-at-bristolcars.info and I will post it for you.

Regards,
Kevin (Admin)

[briwmw]

In my list at: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...oD&hl=en#gid=0 I have 3009 listed as a factory Sebring car. I'll add John Pank's name.

[Cargirl]

This is the picture from John Panks' grandson - a future Arnolt Bristol owner. His grandfather is the gentleman in the middle of the attached photo. He raced 3009 at Sebring in 55

[Geoff Dowdle]

Kelly ,
It is interesting learning about the various Arnolts in the previous posts.
But to answer your question what would a 400 be like in the MM,

My answer is I'd rather be in a 400 , not as quick and maybe not as exciting an initial experience , but after a few hundred miles any open car becomes tiring .
OR
am I just getting old.

I've happily driven my 400 up to 1000 kms (about 620 miles ) in one day without a problem on many occasions . They must have been outstanding ,as a touring car, in the late forties , when most cars were only capable of touring at 50 mph, a 400 was and is capable of 80 - 90 mph cruising all day and get 26 - 30 mpg.

I have never been on a MM but assume the 1000 miles is over 4 - 5 days so fatigue would not be a problem . But just wonder if there was 5 days of rain or temperatures up to 40 deg C , like we get in summer down under.

The MM in either car would be a great experience.
Geoff

Attached are a few photos of 400 Chassis 179 that competed in quite a few MM's

[Cargirl]

Originally Posted by briwmw

In my list at: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...oD&hl=en#gid=0 I have 3009 listed as a factory Sebring car. I'll add John Pank's name.

I am quite sure John Panks was not an owner. Just a driver. Maybe for Wacky Arnolt?