Starter 408 mk1

[408VIKING]

I can not find a modern starter in Sweden. Called Summit racing with same result. Do anyone know were to find one. Or brand and model.

Regards
Per

[Nick Challacombe]

Ages ago I sought one and found several sources in America and used a high torque one. Very reasonable price sent to UK in 3 days.Away from home at the moment suggest you try eBay USA or Amazon.
CheersNick 6028 407?

[408VIKING]

No luck so far.

Regards

Per

[Nick Challacombe]

When I get home Per I will look, I have the old one which was working fine.
My 407 is the same mechanically and electrically to your 408.
I have fitted electric power steering to mine and Michelin x radial tyre.
So much better ride and road lining. I have had it for 25 years.
When the engine was rebuilt I fitted +40 thou pistons which were 60% less that
30 tho as they were std on the 318 engine. I changed the mechanical fuel pump to an electric Facet fitted under the RH wing. Everything else is as it left the factory in 1962.
I have a spare mint spares book and drive book for 407/408.
Kind regards. N

[Philip]

Rock Auto are good for this kind of thing - just identify something with the same engine.

[408VIKING]

Thank you for the advice.
When my father visited his first car show in London, in 1948, he saw a very beautiful car. A Bristol Farina. He managed 40 more fairs before he retired. When he got home, he told us about what he had seen and found interesting. Including Bristol. So I belong to those who have known Bristol for a long time.
I bought my car after building a Westfield and restoring an MGB GT. It was 1992 and I thought I needed something to do in the evenings. It was a misjudgment. The project has had to stand back many years for work and house maintenance.
Now it is almost ready mechanically, but painting and assembly work remains. I too have installed electric power steering and introduced other modernities.
The focus is now on getting the car rolling as we have to move to a new garage.

Kind Regards

Per

[Thomas591]

Strange that nothing is available in the US for the 313 engine....maybe because it was build for the Export and Canadian market? Worst case you have to order it from Australia.

https://www.caeperformance.com.au/se...ems=CHRYSLER_3

Or check the internet which is the correct Autolite parts number for the 313 and then search Ebay?

Kind regards

Thomas

[David C]

I haven't owned 407 or 408 but I thought the engine was very similar to the 409 / 410 in most respects. My understanding was that the block is the same but just different bore diameter. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Are the difference due to subtle refinements or are cylinder heads / cam / crank /oil pump etc not interchangeable?

The one difference I am fairly sure about is that the aperture at the rear of the crank is different between the 407 / 408 with cast iron gearbox case and 409 / 410 aluminium gearbox due to different torque converter.

[Nick Challacombe]

The 313 engine was never built in USA it was Canadian, Tony Crook aka Bristol cars sourced their engines from Chrysler Canada for the very simple reason, that Canada was part of the Commonwealth and as such no import duty was charged. Jenson imported theirs from USA! that is though an aside, the starter motor and generator were common to that era of Plymouth, De Soto and trucks!
The same starter as others have suggested in one the 407 up to and including the 410. It is readily obtainable in the UK for American Car Spares Suppliers and in the USA but mentioning the 313 does muddy the waters, stick to the 318 as a starting point. My 407 now has a 318 by virtue of the fact that the best over size pistons on rebuild were +40th and were 1/3 the price of a 30thou as those were just for the 313. Every other dimension of the engines is identical, I am led to believe.
Just think of your engine as a 318 when searching for parts and you cannot go wrong in our years of Canadian manufacture 1958 unril about 1968 for our cars.

[David C]

The important distinction when looking for parts is that 407 to 410 engines are known as "Poly" engines due to the polyspherical combustion chamber. The other 318 Mopar option of similar but slightly later period is the LA 318. Some of the bottom end parts fit but very few from the top end of the engine.
Production of the Poly in the US ceased around 1965 but it continued in Canada for about 3 more years.

I think most of the 410s registered in 1968 and 1969 had engine numbers beginning CC318. One C is for Canadian and the other is the date code for 1967. The last few 410s had the suffix L for large sump. I don't know if they were different in any other way. I also can't remember if they began CC318. Unfortunately the BOC chassis list abbreviated the engine numbers.

[408VIKING]

I have found a starter motor with the same specification as the Australian one. Torqq 6203. It replaces 3-bolt with 2-bolt. The spigot is the correct diameter and the bolt spacing is correct.

However, there are two problems:
1. To run free of motor, it must be mounted upside down. Then the drainage ends up.
2. Pinion goes out 45 mm compared to 50 mm with original starter motor. It then has only half the engagement on the ring gear.

The flange is 7.5 mm thick. Expect to remove 2.5 mm which gives an engagement of 7.5 mm. Possibly I will make it in steel.

All the searches I've done in the US on my engine type only show remanufactured 3-bolt starters.

Regards
Per

[Roger Morrall]

I don’t know if this will be of any help but many years ago when the original 410 starter motor gave up I got a geared replacement from the UK Jensen specialists Cropedy Bridge Motors who were just down the road from where we then lived. I bore it home in triumph on the back of my bike! It fitted perfectly and improved things enormously.

As you will know Jensens used the 7 litre Chrysler engine, from the USA

The point of this story is that it suggests that the Chrysler used exactly the same starter motor across a very wide range of engines and you probably don’t need to focus too hard on the exact engine type or where it was originally built